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PostSubject: Religion/Christianity Debate   Tue May 01, 2012 10:07 pm

Ok, the religion debate. I thought I'd start it since topics like these really spark good conversation.
When posting on this thread, please make your post a response to someone else's post or on the same topic,
otherwise everyone starts posting random thoughts that don't really contribute to the main debate.
So here we go. I'll start with my thoughts. Feel free to respond.

In my opinion, a belief based PURELY on faith is not only unwise, but also foolish.

A belief in the supernatural or any deity of any kind requires that you believe without any physical
evidence.

This is the definition of faith (taken from an online dictionary):
"belief that is not based on proof"

Now I am inclined to believe that the majority of people are rational and logical when it comes to daily interactions and problems. If I were to claim that I have an imaginary friend that talks to me and tells me how the universe started, but nobody else can see him or interact with him,
you would be wise to disregard my ridiculous claim. Why?

Because until I provide you with PHYSICAL evidence, then you can neither verify nor deny the existence of said friend.

Here is my problem with Christianity and religion in general: They take the stance of "belief until proven "wrong". In other words, their default position on the existence of God is to believe in something immaterial and imaginary until it is 100% proven wrong.

This should NEVER be the DEFAULT position when it comes to any debate. And most people will not take this stance on any other debate except when it comes to God for some reason.

Would it make any sense for a person learning of my imaginary friend to say, "OK Miles. I take it on faith that you have an imaginary friend that talks to you and knows everything. Until your imaginary friend is 100% proven wrong, he must THEREFORE exist"?

NO. but this is what religion teaches you to do. It teaches you to accept without thinking critically.It teaches you to accept and not question, which is extremely dangerous.

Normally I do NOT care what people think or believe. It is their decision to live their lives the way they want to. But at some point, I do believe that faith can be destructive in SOME cases.
Ex: radical muslims, 9/11, etc.

Voltaire: “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”

I'm not saying every religious person will be radical or a murdering fanatic at all, but religious world views will change the way you see life. It will change the way you treat people. It changes your perception of "good and bad" people and who you should respect and who you should not.
In this sense it become dangerous.
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PostSubject: Re: Religion/Christianity Debate   Tue May 01, 2012 10:28 pm

I think I'm gonna squirt, and then sit in the warm liquid.


"In my opinion, a belief based PURELY on faith is not only unwise, but also foolish."

My grandma thinks if she prays during bingo her desired ball will be picked. She barely ever wins, yet when she does, her prayer "worked" and if we all pray to God he can give us good fortune too. Ahawhaw... Cuz I mean, there are 43+ other old woman praying to God for him to pick their ball as well. It's not luck, God must have chosen one of them. Yuh (:


Anyways, I agree with like all of this :S
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PostSubject: Re: Religion/Christianity Debate   Tue May 01, 2012 10:40 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Religion/Christianity Debate   Tue May 01, 2012 10:42 pm

Im Atheist... nuff said
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PostSubject: Re: Religion/Christianity Debate   Mon May 07, 2012 5:37 pm

Physicality doesn't necessarily mean anything.

But ultimately it is up to the believer to prove his point to the skeptic
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PostSubject: Re: Religion/Christianity Debate   Tue May 08, 2012 7:24 pm

''God is dead'' --- Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Nietzsche 1885

Wiki says about the book:

The book in several passages expresses loathing for sentiments of human pity, compassion, indulgence and mercy towards a victim, which are regarded as the greatest sin and most insidious danger. Part of Nietzsche's reactionary thought is also that the creature he most sincerely loathes is the spirit of revolution, and its hatred for the anarchist and rebel.

Many criticisms of Christianity can be found in Thus Spoke Zarathustra, in particular Christian values of good and evil and its belief in an afterlife. Nietzsche sees the complacency of Christian values as fetters to the achievement of overman as well as on the human spirit.

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You can check up quotes from it, it is still very actual.

I own the french version and it has the ability to mess up with my mind.

Very difficult to stay confident about life when reading it, but also very difficult to bring up any argumentation against Nietzsche's statements, because his rethoric is flawless. Book is a 10 on 10
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